Keep in mind that a lot of states have had their districts redrawn in such ways that make it so the Republicans will win, and the courts have upheld these illegally drawn maps in one manner or another.
In other words, while the system is working as intended, the intention is not what the majority wants. It’s rigged so the “house” always wins.
That doesn’t matter when voting for president. Trump won both the electoral votes and the popular vote. The people quite literally did vote for this. However, I don’t think many of Trump’s voters actually believed he would do this and be as cruel about it as he has been.
Right. You can make the argument that the electoral college is an out of date system and he should have lost in 2016. I would even whole heartedly agree with you. In 2024 there really wasn’t any controversy that the DNC didn’t inflict on themselves.
People might be disagreeing with me when I say that some or maybe even most Trump supporters don’t approve of how he is using ICE. I think national polling shows that to be true though. Yes they wanted to kick out the undocumented, but I don’t think they realized how bad the action of it was going to be. It was something that sounded good to them in theory and then a lot of them have come to regret it after seeing it in practice.
I’m guessing they meant that America voted for this? I dunno.
That’s a negatory there too.
Keep in mind that a lot of states have had their districts redrawn in such ways that make it so the Republicans will win, and the courts have upheld these illegally drawn maps in one manner or another.
In other words, while the system is working as intended, the intention is not what the majority wants. It’s rigged so the “house” always wins.
That doesn’t matter when voting for president. Trump won both the electoral votes and the popular vote. The people quite literally did vote for this. However, I don’t think many of Trump’s voters actually believed he would do this and be as cruel about it as he has been.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted, you’re right. Trump won both the electoral and popular votes in 2024.
It was a plurality, and not nearly as much of a landslide as the electoral map and Trump will pretend it was, but he won.
The states are borderline gerrymandered in and of themselves, but that doesn’t matter for the popular vote totals.
Right. You can make the argument that the electoral college is an out of date system and he should have lost in 2016. I would even whole heartedly agree with you. In 2024 there really wasn’t any controversy that the DNC didn’t inflict on themselves.
People might be disagreeing with me when I say that some or maybe even most Trump supporters don’t approve of how he is using ICE. I think national polling shows that to be true though. Yes they wanted to kick out the undocumented, but I don’t think they realized how bad the action of it was going to be. It was something that sounded good to them in theory and then a lot of them have come to regret it after seeing it in practice.
This whole ‘not us’ is just a convenient way to wash your bloody hands. You all got him in power, you all keep him in power.
Voting is only an expression of intent, not an actual action of improvement.
Gerrymandering or not, the voting system doesn’t prevent you from sidestepping its obvious failures and taking the country back by force.
(As the saying goes, “if voting actually helped things, they’d have outlawed it by now”)
it doesnt matter for senate, or presidential elections. voter suppression is whats really killing the DEM votes in the red states.
What I meant wasn’t that it’s true, but that maybe that’s what the commenter is saying happened.