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How else do you interpret what he says other than that he’s threatening to kill her, since that’s what’s been happening the last couple of days, one woman is dead and two people are injured. We all know about qualified immunity, but are police and ice agents actually allowed to threaten to murder people? Are there no exceptions to qualified immunity when it comes to threatening to kill people?
ICE has killed much more than one person. The only reason she’s getting so much widespread attention is because she’s a blonde, white, conventionally attractive citizen.
Not to minimize her death though, everyone is right to be outraged. I just want to point out that their other victims also deserve to be remembered.
It’s also getting so much attention because it was on video and fucking insane. If she wasn’t trying to drive away and it was a more common scenario like she was getting physical with him or something, it would hit differently. She wasn’t an immigrant (meaning why is this asshole even talking to her? They operate on fully racist criteria so it’s not like he was talking to her in order to do his shitty job) AND she was trying to get away. Not saying her being white has nothing to do with this getting so much attention but the other specifics are most of it imo.
Yeah I agree with both points. When George Floyd was murdered, society didn’t get less racist overnight. People were so pissed because we saw it happen. Anyone can say whatever they want to the contrary, but we are a visual species, and seeing someone murdered is far more emotionally impactful than hearing about it
meaning why is this asshole even talking to her? They operate on fully racist criteria so it’s not like he was talking to her in order to do his shitty job
She was impeding traffic, that’s what started it all.
Vehicles were able to get around her moving slowly, but she parked perpendicular to traffic in the middle of the road.
Edit: I’m just going to edit this post here with this note and adding the quote above because things are ridiculous below. You block/impede the road, law enforcement is going to initiate contact. ICE, traffic cop, whatever. They initiated contact. Whatever the fuck happens after is another story, but OP’s “why is this asshole even talking to her” is a dead fucking simple answer. She was impeding traffic on the roadway, and they were there. If you all can’t understand that, or want to downvote me to oblivion because you can’t understand that, whatever go ahead.
edi2t: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_v._Royer is what would allow them to talk to her and initiate contact. Its everything that happened after that is the issue. She was not detained (from what I can tell), or being forced to do anything until the 2nd ICE vehicle arrived which seems to be a good 30 seconds later. The escalation happened after the arrival of the 2nd vehicle, and was initiated by the ICE agents in the 2nd vehicle.
Proper procedure would have been to call in the actual relevant local police.
As with the entire rest of everything they are doing, ICE has no legal authority to just conduct … any kind of general traffic policing.
If this ever gets a fair court hearing, everyone involved in this is going to prison for 20 years minimum… even cops have to be able to actually legally defend why they pulled someone over or stopped them, and ICE has no authority to generally do this.
ICE functions as a federal law enforcement agency with specific authority to enforce U.S. immigration laws within the country’s interior. Unlike local police officers, federal immigration agents cannot conduct stops based solely on traffic violations.
“They don’t get to just go about stopping and demanding answers of whoever they happen to run across,” said César Cuauhtémoc García Hernández, law professor at Ohio State University.
You’re getting downvoted to hell on this because you are factually wrong.
Their vehicles, the size of her vehicle, where and how it was positioned in the road?
They could have driven around her.
Instead, they pulled up, dismounted, and surrounded her, tried to remove her from the vehicle.
They have no authority to do that to just anyone who happens to be parked badly.
ICE can only act to inhibit a person not immediately related to the specific warrant they are actively carrying out if said person is clearly, knowingly, intentionally inhibiting the execution of that specific warrant.
That’s obstruction of justice, which they can actually arrest/detain someone for.
That is not what occured here.
Being annoying toward ICE, swearing at them, flipping them off, filming them, having a badly parked car in the middle of the road…
None of that rises to obstruction of justice.
There is no valid legal authority by which any Federal LEO can do what those degenerate murderous filth just did.
The guy you’re replying to is a fucking idiot. He keeps claiming I accused him of saying something because I asked him if he did. And the only reason I asked is because of his shitty wording that seemed to imply she got what she deserved.
Didn’t watch the videos, did you? They didn’t talk to her. They shouted at her, grabbed her door handle to pull her out, then shot her three (four?) times in the head.
But here’s you deliberately mischaracterizing their actions as “talking to her” like that murderous fucking goon did NOT actually transfer his phone out of his shooting hand BEFORE he walked back to the driver’s side window.
But yeah, you go ahead and bury yourself in the massive, overwhelming cognitive dissonance you have to manufacture for yourself to believe that this pack of ICE thugs did this as a group operating in concert because they all just wanted to – let me check your comments again – “talk to her.”
That IS a fascist take. And I’d far rather be an idiot in your eyes than in any sort of alignment with the fascist slop in your head.
EDITED to say I changed my mind – that’s not where he was going, it just seemed that way. He’s not actually batting for the fascists. Read the thread through to the end.
I have no idea what you’re talking about. I think I’ve seen 6-7 different videos and all of them so far start with her appearing to be turning the car around.
Hope you remember these words when the leopards eat your face and it’s your family being killed or thrown into Concentration Camps to be raped or enslaved. I hope you remember your boot licking got them killed.
I didn’t know what she looked like at first, from the videos I saw. I think that’s true for most people. The reason for the outrage is that they killed a person, in the middle of the day, in the open, while being recorded, without them doing anything violent. There have been many more deaths, but nothing this obviously and visibly wrong. Yes, the other victims deserve to be remembered, but this one was different, besides her being a white woman.
Of course we should mourn all those killed by ICE. Next pres should set up a memorial for them in DC.
I think being white is part of it for sure, but probably more that she is a US citizen murderd in broad daylight and it was caught on camera vs their usual behind closed doors murders of immigrants. I’m sure I’m wrong, but I havent heard of any other US citizens being murdered by ICE.
He’s at minimum suggesting that if you’re seen as impeding them in any way, bad things will happen to you.
Which is literally the exact attitude that leads to this continuing and continuing to get worse. Fucking horrendous attitude for someone with authority to have. But that field attracts people who hold attitudes like that, and it’s why no one should ever trust the police.
I’m not going to dox myself but I had some really horrible shit happen to people in my life due to a cop. He recently tried to “make amends” by acting like it never happened and he admitted his dad was a “dirty cop”. Which I took as a sign that he was really talking about himself. He used his power as a LEO to fuck lives up. And I despise him for it. I do not think that’s atypical at all.
They’re a paramilitary force beholden only to the Donald Trump. They are very literally akin to the SA. No they are not beholden to any laws. They are only beholden to Trump.
How else do you interpret what he says other than that he’s threatening to kill her, since that’s what’s been happening the last couple of days, one woman is dead and two people are injured. We all know about qualified immunity, but are police and ice agents actually allowed to threaten to murder people? Are there no exceptions to qualified immunity when it comes to threatening to kill people?
It’s a plain death threat. What I wouldn’t give to have all the internal memos that are no doubt cheering on the bloodshed to be leaked.
I wonder if it’d be prudent to buy our own body cams for interactions like these?
ICE has killed much more than one person. The only reason she’s getting so much widespread attention is because she’s a blonde, white, conventionally attractive citizen.
Not to minimize her death though, everyone is right to be outraged. I just want to point out that their other victims also deserve to be remembered.
It’s also getting so much attention because it was on video and fucking insane. If she wasn’t trying to drive away and it was a more common scenario like she was getting physical with him or something, it would hit differently. She wasn’t an immigrant (meaning why is this asshole even talking to her? They operate on fully racist criteria so it’s not like he was talking to her in order to do his shitty job) AND she was trying to get away. Not saying her being white has nothing to do with this getting so much attention but the other specifics are most of it imo.
yes, “she was a pretty white blonde” I think is missing that there are 2 videos that clearly show the murder.
I do think the fact she was a white women did hit the 'holy-shit-this-could-happen-to-me" button for alot of people.
Yeah I agree with both points. When George Floyd was murdered, society didn’t get less racist overnight. People were so pissed because we saw it happen. Anyone can say whatever they want to the contrary, but we are a visual species, and seeing someone murdered is far more emotionally impactful than hearing about it
She was impeding traffic, that’s what started it all.
Vehicles were able to get around her moving slowly, but she parked perpendicular to traffic in the middle of the road.
Edit: I’m just going to edit this post here with this note and adding the quote above because things are ridiculous below. You block/impede the road, law enforcement is going to initiate contact. ICE, traffic cop, whatever. They initiated contact. Whatever the fuck happens after is another story, but OP’s “why is this asshole even talking to her” is a dead fucking simple answer. She was impeding traffic on the roadway, and they were there. If you all can’t understand that, or want to downvote me to oblivion because you can’t understand that, whatever go ahead.
edi2t: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida_v._Royer is what would allow them to talk to her and initiate contact. Its everything that happened after that is the issue. She was not detained (from what I can tell), or being forced to do anything until the 2nd ICE vehicle arrived which seems to be a good 30 seconds later. The escalation happened after the arrival of the 2nd vehicle, and was initiated by the ICE agents in the 2nd vehicle.
Is it ICE’s job to enforce local traffic laws?
Oh, that’s right, no.
They have no legal basis to police that.
Proper procedure would have been to call in the actual relevant local police.
As with the entire rest of everything they are doing, ICE has no legal authority to just conduct … any kind of general traffic policing.
If this ever gets a fair court hearing, everyone involved in this is going to prison for 20 years minimum… even cops have to be able to actually legally defend why they pulled someone over or stopped them, and ICE has no authority to generally do this.
https://borderlessmag.org/2025/09/30/ice-know-your-rights-vehicle-stop-immigration-resources/
You’re getting downvoted to hell on this because you are factually wrong.
They have a legal basis if they are being impeded from their work. Impeded does not mean stopped.
No They Don’t.
You are fucking wrong.
Further… they were not actually impeded.
Their vehicles, the size of her vehicle, where and how it was positioned in the road?
They could have driven around her.
Instead, they pulled up, dismounted, and surrounded her, tried to remove her from the vehicle.
They have no authority to do that to just anyone who happens to be parked badly.
ICE can only act to inhibit a person not immediately related to the specific warrant they are actively carrying out if said person is clearly, knowingly, intentionally inhibiting the execution of that specific warrant.
That’s obstruction of justice, which they can actually arrest/detain someone for.
That is not what occured here.
Being annoying toward ICE, swearing at them, flipping them off, filming them, having a badly parked car in the middle of the road…
None of that rises to obstruction of justice.
There is no valid legal authority by which any Federal LEO can do what those degenerate murderous filth just did.
Again, you are fucking wrong.
The guy you’re replying to is a fucking idiot. He keeps claiming I accused him of saying something because I asked him if he did. And the only reason I asked is because of his shitty wording that seemed to imply she got what she deserved.
… why double down when you can … what, quintuple down, instead?
Oh well, adult US literacy rates are shockingly low these days, I guess.
Are you suggesting her murder is her fault?
No, I’m saying you were flat out wrong in your assertion that she did nothing to be approached by law enforcement officers.
Take you pitchfork elsewhere and at least know WTF you’re talking about.
Not even what I said but thanks for the fascist take
Hey man, you go ahead and park your car like she did somewhere populated and see how long until a cop comes to talk to you.
You’re an idiot if you think thats a fascist take.
Didn’t watch the videos, did you? They didn’t talk to her. They shouted at her, grabbed her door handle to pull her out, then shot her three (four?) times in the head.But here’s you deliberately mischaracterizing their actions as “talking to her” like that murderous fucking goon did NOT actually transfer his phone out of his shooting hand BEFORE he walked back to the driver’s side window.But yeah, you go ahead and bury yourself in the massive, overwhelming cognitive dissonance you have to manufacture for yourself to believe that this pack of ICE thugs did this as a group operating in concert because they all just wanted to – let me check your comments again – “talk to her.”That IS a fascist take. And I’d far rather be an idiot in your eyes than in any sort of alignment with the fascist slop in your head.EDITED to say I changed my mind – that’s not where he was going, it just seemed that way. He’s not actually batting for the fascists. Read the thread through to the end.
Ice are not traffic cops moron.
I have no idea what you’re talking about. I think I’ve seen 6-7 different videos and all of them so far start with her appearing to be turning the car around.
Hope you remember these words when the leopards eat your face and it’s your family being killed or thrown into Concentration Camps to be raped or enslaved. I hope you remember your boot licking got them killed.
And she had their siren, then?
I think what also separates her death is, specifically, she was executed in braid daylight with multiple cameras on it.
The other people ICE has killed have generally been less recorded.
Although, the lady those assholes rammed into and shot 5 times should have alone lead to the total abolition of ICE.
I didn’t know what she looked like at first, from the videos I saw. I think that’s true for most people. The reason for the outrage is that they killed a person, in the middle of the day, in the open, while being recorded, without them doing anything violent. There have been many more deaths, but nothing this obviously and visibly wrong. Yes, the other victims deserve to be remembered, but this one was different, besides her being a white woman.
It was also all recorded. I doubt it’d be anywhere near as big if it hadn’t been.
Of course we should mourn all those killed by ICE. Next pres should set up a memorial for them in DC.
I think being white is part of it for sure, but probably more that she is a US citizen murderd in broad daylight and it was caught on camera vs their usual behind closed doors murders of immigrants. I’m sure I’m wrong, but I havent heard of any other US citizens being murdered by ICE.
He’s at minimum suggesting that if you’re seen as impeding them in any way, bad things will happen to you.
Which is literally the exact attitude that leads to this continuing and continuing to get worse. Fucking horrendous attitude for someone with authority to have. But that field attracts people who hold attitudes like that, and it’s why no one should ever trust the police.
I’m not going to dox myself but I had some really horrible shit happen to people in my life due to a cop. He recently tried to “make amends” by acting like it never happened and he admitted his dad was a “dirty cop”. Which I took as a sign that he was really talking about himself. He used his power as a LEO to fuck lives up. And I despise him for it. I do not think that’s atypical at all.
They’re a paramilitary force beholden only to the Donald Trump. They are very literally akin to the SA. No they are not beholden to any laws. They are only beholden to Trump.