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Will there be learning when one of these dickheads has a bullet in their fucking head or gets disappeared? Do Republicans learn? Does ICE care or have compassion? These are the questions
I would argue that peaceful mass protest would be more effective. The problem you have is that you are just not getting the numbers out on the street to become ungovernable and topple the admin. A general strike would change things quickly.
You start burning down ICE agents homes and having running street battles, yes it will feel satisfying to take some of them out with you but you will ultimately be killed or arrested and the admin will have the imagery to get low info citizens to side with them not you.
I agree with you that they are going to keep pushing regardless, but the people against this need the best optics possible to get more people on their side. Vigilante killings are not going to be helpful and will just accelerate things. I would say it’s worth keeping to the peaceful route out of this, as civil war is going to be a absolute bloodbath and your going to be up against the American military. Bad odds.
That being said, owning a weapon and knowing how to use it is not a bad idea if the worst comes to pass.
“The revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to” - Kevin Roberts president of the Heritage Foundation. That’s what you’re arguing for. They don’t need a reason, they’ve already killed people without one.
I am arguing that the Trump administration doesn’t need any excuses to escalate and destroy democracy, they are completely fine doing it either way. What the fascists have said previously is that the revolution will happen no matter what, it’s just up to the left wether or not they actually have to fight for their fascist dictatorship. Not shooting the fascists in the face, is letting them do everything they want, with nothing more than a slightly inconvenient protest every 6 months in a few cities.
Were all in agreement that Trump admin will keep ramping the pressure. So what are you actually suggesting as a workable solution involving force? Get pulled over by ICE just start shooting?
I am suggesting whole neighborhoods starting to chase them out with weapons. Yes, it will suck, yes, people will die, but the alternative is literally Auschwitz for everyone who isn’t straight, white, fascist and able-bodied. They will not stop after putting brown people in concentration camps,. They will not stop after taking away the rights of gay people.
People are going to die, either in concentration camps, or in the streets.
Find and join or create a local community based organization and talk to your friends, neighbors, coworkers, and family about the fascist threat. Spend your free time building a strong group that can unite with other strong groups when the time is right.
Political power is not something that can be given with a vote in this world, it must be taken by strength. And in the face of the strength of billionaires, our only chance is solidarity and the strength of a united resistance.
General strikes, mass persistent protests, and other targeted non-violent actions. Mass movements that have actual commitment behind them are more effective.
But also, the state will never hesitate to use violence, so it is the right of citizens to self-defense. The Black Panthers were very effective at preventing police violence by patrolling their neighborhoods and providing an armed citizenry presence during police interactions. (That’s why Reagan made it illegal to open carry in California.) We need similar militias who can provide deterrence to ICE violence now.
Will there be learning when one of these dickheads has a bullet in their fucking head or gets disappeared?
but
Does ICE care or have compassion?
Yeah advocating for violence while making a call to compassion is certainly a strategy. fafo litteraly. I dont know in what universe you were where you dont have to comply with law enforcement and you can even making online threat but the call back to reality gonna be brutal
Wondering aloud if a group of people will reflect when something that is very likely to happen eventually does happen is not advocating for violence, it’s merely considering a position. Somewhere you assume somebody didn’t comply (who? And with what?), and then misinterpret the text itself… sigh. Don’t be part of the problem, learn to read and process information. The ignorance is leading to the body count, c’mon
If law enforcement tells you to do something that either endangers your life, the life of someone else, og is against the law, should you comply? Not complying with law enforcement isn’t necesarily a bad thing.
To bring up Nazi Germany: Should everyone just comply and send jews, lgbt+, the handicapped, the socialists etc to death camps because law enforcement said so? No right? The ones who faught back are the ones we still celebrate today, not the ones who just did what they were told.
Edit to add. Violence against facsism is the morally right thing. They want to kill people who can’t defend themselves? Then they themselves deserve death. It’s simple self defence.
If law enforcement tells you to do something that either endangers your life, the life of someone else, og is against the law, should you comply? Not complying with law enforcement isn’t necesarily a bad thing.
wich wasnt the case so i dont know why you bring that point.
Should everyone just comply and send jews, lgbt+, the handicapped, the socialists etc to death camps because law enforcement said so?
What are you trying to compare the eradication of any minorities to the deportation of illegal allien ? is that what we’r doing here ? wanna be sure. You are utterly stupid to think that and even dumber for having say it.
Violence against facsism is the morally right thing.
Yeah i saw that argument when a politcal commentator that was against violence got shot.
Idk if you are either young or not really into thoses subject but dont be a fool and put yourself in danger cause 3 tik tok video convice you it was the moraly right thing to do.
Will there be learning when one of these dickheads has a bullet in their fucking head or gets disappeared? Do Republicans learn? Does ICE care or have compassion? These are the questions
No, just escalation. An ICE agent being shot is exactly what the Trump admin is after.
No, nonsense.
The trump admin wants to enact their plan. This bullshit about ‘giving them a reason’ is idiotic.
They are searching for and will find their own reasons, they’re calling this innocent mother of three ‘radicalised by the left’.
You are arguing for a lack of resistance.
You are right there will be escalation, but the escalation is coming regardless.
How many more innocent people have to be brutally murdered before enough is enough?
Or what do you suggest is done otherwise?
Personally I’m an advocate for burning their homes while they are out terrorising.
I would argue that peaceful mass protest would be more effective. The problem you have is that you are just not getting the numbers out on the street to become ungovernable and topple the admin. A general strike would change things quickly.
You start burning down ICE agents homes and having running street battles, yes it will feel satisfying to take some of them out with you but you will ultimately be killed or arrested and the admin will have the imagery to get low info citizens to side with them not you.
I agree with you that they are going to keep pushing regardless, but the people against this need the best optics possible to get more people on their side. Vigilante killings are not going to be helpful and will just accelerate things. I would say it’s worth keeping to the peaceful route out of this, as civil war is going to be a absolute bloodbath and your going to be up against the American military. Bad odds.
That being said, owning a weapon and knowing how to use it is not a bad idea if the worst comes to pass.
“The revolution will be bloodless if the left allows it to” - Kevin Roberts president of the Heritage Foundation. That’s what you’re arguing for. They don’t need a reason, they’ve already killed people without one.
Set out your stall then. What are you arguing for and be specific.
I am arguing that the Trump administration doesn’t need any excuses to escalate and destroy democracy, they are completely fine doing it either way. What the fascists have said previously is that the revolution will happen no matter what, it’s just up to the left wether or not they actually have to fight for their fascist dictatorship. Not shooting the fascists in the face, is letting them do everything they want, with nothing more than a slightly inconvenient protest every 6 months in a few cities.
Were all in agreement that Trump admin will keep ramping the pressure. So what are you actually suggesting as a workable solution involving force? Get pulled over by ICE just start shooting?
I am suggesting whole neighborhoods starting to chase them out with weapons. Yes, it will suck, yes, people will die, but the alternative is literally Auschwitz for everyone who isn’t straight, white, fascist and able-bodied. They will not stop after putting brown people in concentration camps,. They will not stop after taking away the rights of gay people.
People are going to die, either in concentration camps, or in the streets.
Replicating what the black panthers did in their communities I can see working. You guys better start organising then.
This line of reasoning is now solely an excuse for cowardice. Trump will escalate no matter what.
Okay you have done the easy bit and called someone a coward.
What’s your preferred plan to beat the Trump admin. Lets hear the exact details.
Find and join or create a local community based organization and talk to your friends, neighbors, coworkers, and family about the fascist threat. Spend your free time building a strong group that can unite with other strong groups when the time is right.
Political power is not something that can be given with a vote in this world, it must be taken by strength. And in the face of the strength of billionaires, our only chance is solidarity and the strength of a united resistance.
So when time comes to take things by strength wha is that actually going to look like?
General strikes, mass persistent protests, and other targeted non-violent actions. Mass movements that have actual commitment behind them are more effective.
But also, the state will never hesitate to use violence, so it is the right of citizens to self-defense. The Black Panthers were very effective at preventing police violence by patrolling their neighborhoods and providing an armed citizenry presence during police interactions. (That’s why Reagan made it illegal to open carry in California.) We need similar militias who can provide deterrence to ICE violence now.
They’re a lot less dangerous alone and off duty. If we’re not safe, why should they be?
but
Yeah advocating for violence while making a call to compassion is certainly a strategy. fafo litteraly. I dont know in what universe you were where you dont have to comply with law enforcement and you can even making online threat but the call back to reality gonna be brutal
Wondering aloud if a group of people will reflect when something that is very likely to happen eventually does happen is not advocating for violence, it’s merely considering a position. Somewhere you assume somebody didn’t comply (who? And with what?), and then misinterpret the text itself… sigh. Don’t be part of the problem, learn to read and process information. The ignorance is leading to the body count, c’mon
If law enforcement tells you to do something that either endangers your life, the life of someone else, og is against the law, should you comply? Not complying with law enforcement isn’t necesarily a bad thing.
To bring up Nazi Germany: Should everyone just comply and send jews, lgbt+, the handicapped, the socialists etc to death camps because law enforcement said so? No right? The ones who faught back are the ones we still celebrate today, not the ones who just did what they were told.
Edit to add. Violence against facsism is the morally right thing. They want to kill people who can’t defend themselves? Then they themselves deserve death. It’s simple self defence.
wich wasnt the case so i dont know why you bring that point.
What are you trying to compare the eradication of any minorities to the deportation of illegal allien ? is that what we’r doing here ? wanna be sure. You are utterly stupid to think that and even dumber for having say it.
Yeah i saw that argument when a politcal commentator that was against violence got shot. Idk if you are either young or not really into thoses subject but dont be a fool and put yourself in danger cause 3 tik tok video convice you it was the moraly right thing to do.