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CubitOom@infosec.pub to THE POLICE PROBLEM@lemmy.worldEnglish · 1 day ago

Minneapolis, MN: notoriously carcinogenic hexachloroethane smoke deployed on residential streets

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Minneapolis, MN: notoriously carcinogenic hexachloroethane smoke deployed on residential streets

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CubitOom@infosec.pub to THE POLICE PROBLEM@lemmy.worldEnglish · 1 day ago
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https://eyesonice.substack.com/p/minneapolis-mn-notoriously-carcinogenic

While local police are banned from using chemical irritants because of the danger they pose to the public, federal units operating in our city are using a loophole to deploy a poison that toxicity experts warn causes permanent lung damage and cancer.

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  • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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    Jfc people we learned to deal with this in 2019-2020. Wall of Dads in portland had the recipe.

    Get the fucking electric leafblowers out. Push the smoke back at the feds.

    Then you take an orange cone and put it on top of the canister, then pour water into the hole on top and cool the canister down and it stops producing.

    Found a good clip if you weren’t in on the fun in 2020:

    Your browser does not support playing HTML5 video. You can download a copy of the video file instead.

    • imrighthere@lemmy.ca
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      Add some baking soda to that water, shuts it of pretty much instantly.

      • Cyberflunk@lemmy.world
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        I’m not aware of it this, can you explain more?

        • douglasg14b@lemmy.world
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          Likely just a tale.

          Baking soda is basic, Which would imply that the chemical being used is acidic so that it’s neutralized with baking soda. This also assumes that they mix in such a way that baking soda actually makes contact with enough of that chemical to have any effect.

          All of these are pretty big assumptions that are very easily wrong for many number of devices and chemicals.

    • Cyberflunk@lemmy.world
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      This, send battery leaf blowers

      • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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        From 2020:

      • tryagain@sopuli.xyz
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        Leaf blowers, umbrellas, traffic cones, milk… the knowledge will circulate again

        • BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.zip
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          Milk hasn’t been shown to work, best practice is saline eye irrigation (normal water works in a pinch)

          • tryagain@sopuli.xyz
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            TIL, thank you

    • crusa187@lemmy.ml
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      TIL, thanks for posting this

      • TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world
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        It just feels like we have the formula for dealing with this and for some reason, people forgot the almost 20 years of protest tactics we learned starting with occupy.

        • crusa187@lemmy.ml
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          Organizing ain’t easy ;/ in these times though, it’s surely necessary.

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            People also de-mobilize and re-mobilize. New people coming to protests who don’t have the knowledge or experience

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    So, chemical warfare? Isn’t that illegal?

    • UnspecificGravity@piefed.social
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      Only in other countries, its up to us to stop them from killing us in our own country.

      • SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social
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        Bootstraps and stuff, go look it up! /s

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          I mean yeah, its one of the largest, richest, most heavily armed populations on earth. No one else is going to come and fix shit for them.

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        We don’t have a fragile reputation to protect, we can make better chemicals

    • jjagaimo@sh.itjust.works
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      Only against other countries in a war formally declared by congress

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      Last I checked most of this is illegal.

    • A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world
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      Its only warcrimes if used against citizens of other countries citizens.

      its perfectly A-OK to use against your own citizens, apparently.

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      Be careful about claiming it to be war. Certain people do want to be able to declare martial law and be even more masks-off with mass kidnappings/killings.

  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today
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    CHEMICAL WARFARE?

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    don’t like when we shoot you dead? try cancer instead!

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    Drop a bucket over it. Protesters should have buckets handy nearby. Learn from Hong Kong and resist effectively.

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      or a traffic cone; or knock it into the sewers. Do not use your hands- the canisters get VERY hot

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    They were using this in Portland all summer in front of the ICE building that’s across the street from apartment buildings and next door to an elementary school, which was forced to move to a new location when school started due to concerns about exposing kids to toxic chemicals.

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    If you DONT want to Breathe in TOXIC CANCER CAUSING FUMES remember to Donate to our Campaigns!

    -Democratic Leadership!

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      hexachloroethane (HC) gas is actually most harmful when absorbed through the skin.

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    This is a terroristic attack. Nothing less.

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    Sorry, do ICE think they breathe a different air than protestors or do masks suddenly work at filtering out respiratory agents?

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      hexachloroethane (HC) gas is actually most harmful when absorbed through the skin.

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      That’s the whole point of gas masks, yes.

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        I was referring to the little bandit masks they wear.

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    Molotov cocktails are cheap and easy to make. Just saying.

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      Used diapers and dog shit are free and they fit well in those elastic band water balloon launchers.

    • 𝕱𝖎𝖗𝖊𝖜𝖎𝖙𝖈𝖍@lemmy.world
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      So are water balloons filled with paint and motor oil

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        Durian oil.

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    Am I misreading that video, or is the smoke blowing back at the pigs?

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      Give the fascist paramilitary invaders a break, they’ve only been trained for 47 days.

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    I cannot find cooborating reporting on this, does anyone have more data?

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      Most news orgs say tear gas as a catch all. However there are several other videos showing green smoke being used as a chemical irritant. Tear gas and CS gas is not green. So if it is not HC gas being deployed the it is some new chemical compound.

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    https://bsky.app/profile/noturtlesoup17.bsky.social/post/3mcgp6ukozc2b

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    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: “testilying.” Yet it’s almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don’t, they aren’t cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of “qualified immunity” renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past ‘qualified immunity’ is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

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