You can’t sneeze in this sub without someone complaining about evil Google and pushing Graphene as the solution to all our problems. I wasn’t sure if it was astroturfing or whether Lemmy was just hardcore about FOSS.
It’s the latter, but GrapheneOS gets pushed a lot because it’s the biggest name in the custom ROM scene. The astroturfing is more in relation to the constant attempts to defame anyone they perceive as a threat, whether that’s other custom ROM projects, YouTubers or anyone else.
Someone related to the GOS project was caught red-handed calling for this just a few years ago. Both Louis Rossmann and Techlore did videos on the whole situation with Micay and the drama surrounding him, including that bit (I forget which video showed that particular bit), and brought receipts.
I have no doubt in my mind that GOS is a solid OS, being created by someone so obviously paranoid. But that paranoia is causing a lot of other issues and infighting within the ROM community.
All that stuff was being sent around in the .ml Privacy community again recently, including their favourite conspiracy theory involving Techlore, Louis Rossmann and Nicholas Merrill (founder of Calyx Institute and CalyxOS). According to the GrapheneOS cult, Techlore and Rossmann are paid employees of Merrill’s and have been attacking GrapheneOS on his behalf. Zero evidence, of course. Just the usual “source: trust me bro” you expect from GrapheneOS.
And as usual, a lot of it was orchestrated in the comments by a moderator of the GrapheneOS community here. Guess what the thread was about? Yes, another attack on the security and privacy of /e/OS. It’s all so predictable.
That thread gave me motivation to actually watch Techlore’s video that they claimed was part of that “conspiracy”. I watched from start to finish and saw nothing but objective information with sources to back it up. Same with Louis’ video (he brings receipts for everything anyway).
This whole situation has made me think about what actually happened with Copperhead OS. Is Micay paranoid because of that? Or was it Micay’s paranoia that caused the Copperhead OS situation in the first place?
Graphene is the most secure Android OS, hands down. Nation State actor tools like Cellebrite (and others) have difficulty or an impossible experience trying to Crack it. No saying it can’t be done or ain’t done already, but they claim an inability to do so.
I think it’s more likely that people involved with GrapheneOS are just very passionate/obsessed with security, and take an almost evangelist approach to discourse in this space that is completely devoid of any kind of nuance. Anything that is not as secure as GrapheneOS is extremely bad and a danger to the movement, from their perspective. They’re not even necessarily wrong on the individual facts a lot of the time, but their approach is always hyper-aggressive with very high modality language that makes things seem worse than they are. For whatever reason, many of the people associated with the project seem to be completely lacking in social skills and are incapable of having a two-way conversation. They also have a massive victim complex and are constantly accusing anyone who is even remotely critical of them of being part of some big corporate conspiracy, so even an one-off exchange between someone associated with another project and a GrapheneOS team member can quickly spiral into a gigantic fake drama (as happened with CalyxOS several years ago).
As a GrapheneOS user that’s my take too. The paranoid security-obsessed developer who is focused on making the best software to the point of being rude and isolationist is not the kind of person I’d want to hang out with but kind of is the person I want doing security work for the device I have all my personal info on. Sure it would be nicer if they weren’t so abrasive but I’d rather they channel an angry Linus Torvalds than some slick weasel-wordy Steve Jobs.
They are apparently looking to partner with an OEM to build them their own devices, I wonder if that would mean they can hire a full time media person who can do all the public communications so the security guys can focus on what they do best.
GrapheneOS astroturfing has been happening on Lemmy too, recently. It all feels very similar to their unprovoked war against CalyxOS a few years ago.
You can’t sneeze in this sub without someone complaining about evil Google and pushing Graphene as the solution to all our problems. I wasn’t sure if it was astroturfing or whether Lemmy was just hardcore about FOSS.
It’s the latter, but GrapheneOS gets pushed a lot because it’s the biggest name in the custom ROM scene. The astroturfing is more in relation to the constant attempts to defame anyone they perceive as a threat, whether that’s other custom ROM projects, YouTubers or anyone else.
Someone related to the GOS project was caught red-handed calling for this just a few years ago. Both Louis Rossmann and Techlore did videos on the whole situation with Micay and the drama surrounding him, including that bit (I forget which video showed that particular bit), and brought receipts.
I have no doubt in my mind that GOS is a solid OS, being created by someone so obviously paranoid. But that paranoia is causing a lot of other issues and infighting within the ROM community.
All that stuff was being sent around in the .ml Privacy community again recently, including their favourite conspiracy theory involving Techlore, Louis Rossmann and Nicholas Merrill (founder of Calyx Institute and CalyxOS). According to the GrapheneOS cult, Techlore and Rossmann are paid employees of Merrill’s and have been attacking GrapheneOS on his behalf. Zero evidence, of course. Just the usual “source: trust me bro” you expect from GrapheneOS.
And as usual, a lot of it was orchestrated in the comments by a moderator of the GrapheneOS community here. Guess what the thread was about? Yes, another attack on the security and privacy of /e/OS. It’s all so predictable.
It wasn’t just the .ml Privacy community.
This clusterfuck of a thread is from GOS’s own forum
That thread gave me motivation to actually watch Techlore’s video that they claimed was part of that “conspiracy”. I watched from start to finish and saw nothing but objective information with sources to back it up. Same with Louis’ video (he brings receipts for everything anyway).
This whole situation has made me think about what actually happened with Copperhead OS. Is Micay paranoid because of that? Or was it Micay’s paranoia that caused the Copperhead OS situation in the first place?
It’s to be expected within the cult’s own echo chamber.
Graphene is the most secure Android OS, hands down. Nation State actor tools like Cellebrite (and others) have difficulty or an impossible experience trying to Crack it. No saying it can’t be done or ain’t done already, but they claim an inability to do so.
That ranks pretty high and counters the FUD.
I wonder what motivates it, are they being paid off by some other organizations?
I think it’s more likely that people involved with GrapheneOS are just very passionate/obsessed with security, and take an almost evangelist approach to discourse in this space that is completely devoid of any kind of nuance. Anything that is not as secure as GrapheneOS is extremely bad and a danger to the movement, from their perspective. They’re not even necessarily wrong on the individual facts a lot of the time, but their approach is always hyper-aggressive with very high modality language that makes things seem worse than they are. For whatever reason, many of the people associated with the project seem to be completely lacking in social skills and are incapable of having a two-way conversation. They also have a massive victim complex and are constantly accusing anyone who is even remotely critical of them of being part of some big corporate conspiracy, so even an one-off exchange between someone associated with another project and a GrapheneOS team member can quickly spiral into a gigantic fake drama (as happened with CalyxOS several years ago).
As a GrapheneOS user that’s my take too. The paranoid security-obsessed developer who is focused on making the best software to the point of being rude and isolationist is not the kind of person I’d want to hang out with but kind of is the person I want doing security work for the device I have all my personal info on. Sure it would be nicer if they weren’t so abrasive but I’d rather they channel an angry Linus Torvalds than some slick weasel-wordy Steve Jobs.
As a GrapheneOS user I agree. Maybe Linus can recommend the GrapheneOS devs get anger management
They are apparently looking to partner with an OEM to build them their own devices, I wonder if that would mean they can hire a full time media person who can do all the public communications so the security guys can focus on what they do best.
That would be excellent tbh